how much was the ransom?
gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.
gods gift required more.
We make the choice to do evil or good. We are the ones responsible. And you will never be free until you realize that.
I don't think we disagree on this part. Jesus said to repent. The NT is about choices. Christians have a responsibility to stand up to Satan. Not sure what version of Christianity you are referring to.
how much was the ransom?
gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.
gods gift required more.
"The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being."
This is from Judaism 101 and let me tell you it sends shivers down my spine because it portrays the anti-Christ of the Book of Revelation. Wow! You people are off your rockers!
how much was the ransom?
gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.
gods gift required more.
Are you saying that Satan played no role in the holocaust?
RR: He did not.
Do Jews believe that demons can inhabit a person? And take over their lives?
how much was the ransom?
gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.
gods gift required more.
And your last sentence makes your second sentence false. If you do not believe one to be superior to the other, then why did you supplant the other?
No it doesn't. I'm referring to the OT and the NT, not the New and Old Covenants contained and/or referenced in them. Yes, the New Covenant is far superior to the Old Covenant which has proven ineffective. How do Jews view Jeremiah 31:31-34 which talks about the New? What does it mean to them?
Judaism completely rejects the dualistic notion that evil was created by Satan or some other deity.
Are we talking about evil, Satan or that Satan and evil are the same things?
So this quote from Wikipedia is wrong?
According to Judaism, therefore, God created both good and evil for his good purpose: "See, I [God] have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil" (Deuteronomy 30:15, KJV); and "I [God] form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things" (Isaiah 45:7, KJV). ... Unlike Judaism, Christianity teaches that Satan was never created as a bad angel of temptation from the beginning but as a good angel with free will.
how much was the ransom?
gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.
gods gift required more.
"Supplant" in the sense that it was nailed to the cross by Christ's sacrifice. Not by force, but out of love. The Jews blew it, just like they seemed to almost always do so, constantly backsliding and denying the Almighty in deed.
Much of the OT is a litany of condemnation by God of the Jews who were vile in God's eyes century after century. Hence the destruction by Babylon and at other times. He never chose the Jews as his people for anything grand that they did but due to His promise to Abraham. He was stuck with a stiff-necked people. Out with the old, in with the new.
And no, I'm not being anti-semitic. They hold a special place in my heart as a whole.
how much was the ransom?
gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.
gods gift required more.
Everything in the universe was created by G-d and only by G-d.
Same with Christianity, though I don' think the Almighty created evil.
Judaism completely rejects the dualistic notion that evil was created by Satan or some other deity.
So God created all the evil in the world? And he is the one who destroyed 6 million Jews?
how much was the ransom?
gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.
gods gift required more.
Stick with your own book and do not try to interpret mine--especially to prove yours to be true or superior.
First, the OT is both of our books, and you can't lay exclusive claim to it. And secondly, Christians don't believe one is superior to the other as they are all one writing. It is all tied together completey intertwined and inseparable. It is just the New Covenant supplanted the Old Covenant.
in my view, there needs to be a very clear decoupling of the destruction wrought on jerusalem/judah from the 70 years of servitude/babylonian domination.. .
the destruction was the outcome of the people failing over many centuries to obey god, and it was a conditional prophecy, the outcome of which depended on the people's response.. .
however, the servitude to babylon, experienced by several countries, was an unconditional prophecy.
how much was the ransom?
gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.
gods gift required more.
By saying that Satan is in charge of this world, Christians are giving too much power to Satan.
Are you saying that Satan played no role in the holocaust?
Satan .... are not factors in our life's story.
You have got to be kidding. Jews actually believe this? That is utterly insane.
i thought it would be good to discuss it to understand what caused some of us to exit suddenly, or some to exit gradually .. myself , i had been in 44 years , had mentally had doubts for years before exiting - but injustices by the elders and my doubts about the " generation " doctrine led me to exit suddenly one night before a meeting.
the elders pissed me off , i went to my seat, picked my books up and walked out - never going back.
so what is your story and reasons ?
If I had known that my kids, who went out with me and their dad (who was/is my ex), would go back to truth with their dad and at 18 shun me and cut me off, I might have tried a real good fade.
But for how long?
